Horrorwood: True Crime in Tinseltown
Kate: Hi there, Misfits. I'm Kate.
Kail: And I'm Kail.
Kate: Welcome to Horrorwood.
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Kate: So one thing I want to do before we get into this
is shout out Nick Davio
who created that music that you just heard.
We list him on all of our show notes so all of his info's there - his Instagram, his website, all of that. It's nicholasdavio.com.
But it's been a while since we gave him a shout-out and I just want to say
"Hey Nick, you're super talented and awesome, so thank you for doing that.
Kail: And I also love following you, Nick,
because you always have, like, the
great music updates that you're doing
and I think they're fascinating, so
kudos to you.
Kate: So everyone should go follow him.
Kail: For sure.
Kate: Alright, and his.. all of his info is in our show notes, so just
scroll down wherever you're listening and you'll see his stuff there.
Um, also I have to
tell everyone that
Kail is the best Aunt Kail
because she surprised little Frankie with
the cutest toys,
and it was so delightful to find that in the mail.
One of them was like a little Tiffany's blue purse, like a stuffed
purse that said Sniffany & Co.
Frankie loved it.
There was also a little doggy remote control that
Frankie often uses as a pillow,
and maybe the most amazing
item in there was a
Dolly Parton...so Dolly Parton has a line of dog toys
Kail: I love it.
Kate: - called Doggy Parton.
Kate: And I'm obsessed.
Kail: I know, I know.
Kate: And one of them
is a microphone with a rope attached to it, like a tug toy
and Frankie loses her shit over that thing. She goes insane. So,
I'm sorry that all of you don't have Kail as your friend who can send you
fun dog toys.
Kail: Thank you.
Kate: No, thank you.
Kail: I wish that the little gift -
what are they? Note?
Kate: Oh the gift receipts.
Kail: ...had come in there because my favorite one was when I, I wrote one for each little toy,
and my favorite one was what I wrote for the darn microphone.
Kate: It was cute.
Kail: It was so good.
Kate: It was like, "Here's to the newest misfit. Welcome to Horrorwood."
I mean at least you screen-shotted them so I could see them but yeah, that sucked that Amazon left those out.
Kail: Yeah, oh well.
Kate: Alright, so today's case is
a pretty tough one and sad one, actually. It's one that a lot of people have heard of
but maybe don't know, like, a bunch of details,
but we are talking about
Rebecca Schaeffer.
Kail: Ohhh.
Kate: I didn't tell Kail what we were doing.
Kail: I remember, I mean, was that - was it '90? Early '90s?
Kate: '89.
Kail: '89, okay.
Kail: I remember my dad talking about it.
Kate: Yeah.
Kail: Yeah.
Kate: It, um, it's a case that is still
brought up. I mean, people still remember her and
because she was so young,
and, and we'll get into it but some things came out of
out of the whole experience that, well, we'll talk about it.
Rebecca Lucille Schaeffer was born on November 6th,1967 in Eugene, Oregon.
She grew up in Portland though, and was the only child of Dr. Benson Schaeffer,
a child psychologist,
and Danna Schaeffer. I think it's pronounced "Dana" - it's spelled D-A-N-N-A
- but I think it's "Dana."
Hopefully I'm getting that correct.
And she was a writer and an instructor at Portland Community College.
As a child she was described as curious and spirited.
She loved being outdoors and one of her favorite things to do was go horseback riding.
Kail: Aw.
Kate: She was also super smart. She was an honor student and served on her school student council.
And she had an artistic side. She loved writing poetry.
Basically she was what you would call a well-rounded kid.
She had a lot going on for her at a young age.
She also grew up in the Jewish faith which was something that was really important to her.
In fact, she'd always wanted to become a rabbi.
Kail: Oh, wow, that's really interesting.
Kate: Yeah.
Kate: Rebecca had always been a cute kid. I'll see if I can post pictures of her as a child - she's
adorable.
Kail: She's a very, I mean, she was a very pretty...she's kind of got the
Kail: wispy blond hair, right?
Kate: No, no, she had brown curly hair.
Kail: Oh, oh gosh.
Kate: I'll post pictures.
Kail: Okay.
Kail: Oh, maybe I'm thinking of Rebecca De Mornay.
Kate: Very different people.
Kail: Yeah, I know. And I know that one...yes, okay, sorry.
Kate: Yeah, if I can post the pictures of her as a kid
she has, like, the cutest little round face and
like I said curly brown hair.
She's just a little cutie.
As she got a little older she thought "Maybe I'll give modeling a try."
And in 1982 - so she would have been about 14 -
she signed with a local talent agent.
At the time she was in her junior year at Lincoln High School, and for the next two years she got jobs as a print model in catalogs for department stores,
as well as some TV commercial gigs, so she wasn't doing too bad for herself.
Kail: And she's still in Oregon at this point?
Kate: Yes.
Kail: Okay.
Kate: It shows that she had ambition and was a hard worker.
And because she proved to be so driven and responsible,
in August of 1984,
at the age of 16,
Rebecca's parents gave her permission to move to New York City on her own
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to pursue a career in modeling and acting
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while attending the Professional Children's School.
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Kail: Wow, so they didn't even go with her, like most, you know, a lot of -
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a lot of families will do where... where
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one parent will go with a child, like actor,
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model or whatever, and then, and then the other parent will stay and then...
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Kate: From everything that I could - that I read - they
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just let her go. I mean, her dad had his practice and
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her mom was a writer and was an instructor at that college, so
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you know, they had their things.
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Kail: 16 then... I feel like everybody thought it was...
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it was just a different time era, and so 16 felt like
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it was close enough to 18 where you could be on your own. Where now, 16 feels so young, I'm like:
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Kate: I don’t know, I still feel like even then it felt young. I mean this is the '80s,
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you know. It wasn't like when people got married at, like, 13.
Kail: Well, okay. (they laugh)
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Kate: You know? But anyway, yeah, she was just - they knew she was a responsible kid.
Kail: Ok.
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Kate: And so she starts going to the Professional Children's School in Manhattan,
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which is a college prep school that works with child performers in grades 6 through 12.
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I mean, a bunch of people have - like famous - have
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come out of there.
Kail: And so it's possible that there were people there that were
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Kail: keeping an eye on her if she's in that school.
Kae: Yeah, I think so. yeah.
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Kate: When interviewed for her hometown newspaper in Portland Rebecca said of her cross country move,
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"From my standpoint it seemed very natural, but I know my parents went through hell."
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Kail: Oh.
Kate: And I just, I feel like that's the thing with her. She was just really self-assured, she knew what she wanted.
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Kate: And she felt comfortable and
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obviously that's going to be hard for
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parents, and especially when it's your only child, to be like, "Okay, you're going to go all the way across the country."
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It's scary.
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Kail: Even as an adult, when, I'm sure when you moved and when I moved,
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I went from one coast to another.
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My mom still checks in on me.
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Kate: Yeah, I don't think... I don't think you ever stop parenting, even when your kid is an adult.
Kail: Right.
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Kate: But, you know, props to them. They let her go and she went for it.
Kail: Followed her dream.
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Kate: Soon after she arrived in New York City she signed with Elite Model Management, which is a really prestigious
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modeling agency.
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And not long after, in 1985, she booked a small role on One Life to Live.
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And that was her first, like, professional acting gig.
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She struggled to find modeling jobs though,
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and she felt that her height of 5'7" was too short to be a fashion model.
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Kail: That's how tall I am, and I
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too feel it's too short for me to be a fashion model,
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and the fact that I just don't fit that role at all, but other than that...
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Kate: Other than that...
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So in '85 she moved to Japan because she felt maybe her height wouldn't be such an issue there and
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she felt she could get more work there.
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Mind you, she was only around 17 at this time.
Kail: Wow.
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Kate: And she just, like, up and moved to Japan.
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But she really knew what she wanted, she went after it.
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Unfortunately though, Japan didn't really work out.
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She still struggled to find modeling work and so she moved back to New York.
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That's when her agent suggested she focus more on acting rather than modeling,
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and this is when things really started picking up for Rebecca.
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She began landing small roles: one in the Steven Spielberg series Amazing Stories
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and another in the film Radio Days directed by Woody Allen.
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So very early on in her career she's catching the eye of some big names.
Kail: Big names, yeah, for sure.
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Kate: Then she received a phone call that so many actors dream of.
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Her agent called her to tell her that producers in Hollywood
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were interested in her for a role in a new sitcom.
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So Rebecca flew to L.A. for a screen test and won the role of
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Patti Russell, a free-spirited teenager who moves in with her older sister,
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on the CBS show My Sister Sam.
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Rebecca starred opposite Pam Dawber of Mork & Mindy fame,
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and while they were working on the show Pam and Rebecca actually lived together,
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along with Pam's boyfriend and future husband, actor Mark Harmon.
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I think Pam really did see Rebecca as sort of a younger sister,
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because not only did they play sisters on TV, but Pam had
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had a younger sister that had passed away just a few years prior
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from a heart condition.
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And I think living with Rebecca just kind of reminded her of that
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sisterly bond.
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And Pam said,
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"Having another young girl in the house was something I was very comfortable with. It was good for us."
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Kail: Oh, that is so really sentimental and very sweet.
Kate: Yeah.
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Kate: My Sister Sam was a hit right out of the gate
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and made Rebecca a star on the rise.
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She even landed the March 1987 cover of Seventeen magazine.
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But even with her growing fame and success Rebecca remained humble and down to earth.
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Kail: When you make - in the '80s and '90s - when you make the cover of Seventeen...
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Kate: Seventeen was such a huge deal.
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Kail: Huge deal, and
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I remember back then, and I remember, um,
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Krissy and Niki Taylor and, like, I collected them.
Kate: Yeah.
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Kail: I, I coveted them. I
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got one subscription
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because it was like a fundraiser for school.
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Kate: Oh okay, yeah.
Kail: And so I got the one subscription, and I wanted one so bad after that, but
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Kail: you know, money or whatnot, and so I remember then
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people would... they would look at theirs and then I would be able to look at it afterwards.
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It was a huge deal, so
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I just feel like something like that, like as a young girl,
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if you get that cover - that's the first thing I did, I wanted to know who was on the cover, so I would go and read
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whoever they were
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and it got a bunch of names out there.
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Kate: I remember - so my sister had a subscription -
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and I would go and steal hers
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because I was, you know, I was the youngest and it made me feel older and it was the cool thing.
Kail: Oh yeah, yeah.
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Kate: Everyone that knew Rebecca
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said she was just so natural, so kind.
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She lived a pretty quiet life.
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A former agent of hers, Sue Cameron, said that "Rebecca liked to stay home and read and play with her cat."
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Like, that was her life.
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She also said that Rebecca liked classical music, she liked going to the Hollywood Bowl
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which is a concert venue in L.A.
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She was very healthy so she would work out.
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She'd go for walks. She never went to Hollywood parties.
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Kail: And maybe why it worked for her moving to New York and Japan on her own is
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She really sounds like an old soul. I mean she listened to classical music, she had a cat, she -
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you know, these things that kind of like
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are stereotypical of these old soul
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type behaviors or characteristics.
Kate:Yeah, maybe.
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Kail: So maybe she just was, you know, a very mature person.
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Kate: She definitely was.
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And I'm sure we can think of plenty of examples of young child stars who got wrapped up in the fame and the temptations of Hollywood,
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but Rebecca was the opposite. She was just a good kid with
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a lot of talent and drive.
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Jenny O'Hara, who was her co-star on My Sister Sam,
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said that Rebecca was just a regular teen
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who'd often ask her and Pam Dawber advice on this or that,
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or ask about men and dating.
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And she said Rebecca was always just herself.
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There was nothing phony about her.
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She even became the first babysitter Jenny hired for her daughter Sophie,
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and Jenny said Rebecca was just amazing, trustworthy. And when she saw Rebecca with Sophie it made her think what a great mom Rebecca -
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what a great mom Rebecca would be.
Kail: Aw.
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Kate: As Rebecca's popularity grew so did the amount of fan mail she received,
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and Rebecca, being the kindhearted, generous person she was would respond to the fan mail herself.
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Kail: Oh that's really huge I feel like.
Kate: Yeah.
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Kate: 'Cause think about the amount of time that takes.
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Kail: Yeah. Okay, confession:
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I wrote many letters to many people, Christian Slater being the first one, I believe.
Kate: Amazing.
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Kail: My first big crush. But
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I never received a letter back, I just wanted to put that out there.
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Ah, so that is really... it's admirable and it's also, again, time consuming, right?
Kate: Yeah.
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Kail: Some people probably, like, a second job because
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of how much fan mail that they actually get.
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Kate: Judy Crown, who was a hairstylist on My Sister Sam,
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advised Rebecca not to response the mail.
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She told her, "Look, just don't respond. I don't have a good feeling about it.
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People sometimes are crazy, I think you should just ignore it."
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But that just wasn't...
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that just wasn't Rebecca's nature. She felt the right thing to do was to respond to her fans.
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And one person she responded to was a young man by the name of Robert John Bardo.
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Kail: Oh, my tummy just did an ick factor.
Kate: Yeah.
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Kail: I heard three names and it just...
Kate: Exactly.
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We just talked about this in the last episode.
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Kate: Yep, three names and you're a serial killer.
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Or maybe not a serial but you're a murderer for sure.
Kail: Yeah.
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Kate: Robert John Bardo, born in 1970,
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was the youngest of seven children.
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When he was a kid his family moved around a lot, but they eventually settled in Tucson, Arizona in 1983 when Robert was 13.
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Unfortunately, mental illness ran in his family
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and he was diagnosed with bipolar disorder
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and had a pretty troubled childhood.
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He was the object of
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a lot of physical and emotional abuse.
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He was actually abused by one of his siblings,
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and he threatened to kill himself which resulted in him being placed in foster care.
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In 1984, at the age of 14, he took notice of a young girl who was garnering a lot of attention at the time.
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Her name was Samantha Smith.
Kail: Oh.
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Kate: Just a couple of years prior when Samantha was ten years old,
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she wrote a letter to Yuri Andropov.
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He was the newly appointed General Secretary of the Comp -
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sorry -
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of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.
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And she basically asked him
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"Why do you want to go to war with us?"
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He wrote her back!
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Then was like, "I don't, we want peace."
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Kail: Oh! Oh, okay.
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Kate: Yeah, and he invited her to the Soviet Union and she went.
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She became known as America's Youngest Ambassador.
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Kail: Wow!
Kate: Yeah.
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Kate: She went on to become an actress
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and she hosted a special on The Disney Channel about the 1984 U.S. Presidential Election,
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and she also guest starred on Charles In Charge,
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and played the daughter of Robert Wagner's character on the show Lime Street.
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Kail: Huh. And ok, and so um, Robert John -
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Kate: Bardo
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Kail: Was this - Bardo - was
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like a fan of hers?
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Kate: Yes. Because she was...
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she was all over
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television at that point.
Kail: Okay, so she was being televised, he was seeing her on the screen. Okay.
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Kate: Yes. He was watching the whole time.
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He became obsessed with her and even traveled to Maine to try to find her - she lived in Maine -
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but he was stopped by police and so he just returned home.
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Kail: So safe to say he has some stalker-like qualities.
Kate: Yeah.
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Kate: Tragically, Samantha died in a plane crash in 1985 at just thirteen years old.
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Kail: I was, I was not ready for that. Wow.
Kate: Yeah.
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Kate: That same year, when he was 15,
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Robert was admitted to a mental care facility for a month to treat
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"emotional problems."
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He used to write threatening letters to his teachers and one of his teachers described him as a "time bomb on the verge of exploding."
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Robert soon turned his attention to Debbie Gibson,
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and traveled to New York City to try and meet her.
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He was unsuccessful though and returned back home to Arizona.
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Kail: Now I'm starting to understand why people didn't write me back.
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Kate: He ended up dropping out of high school when he was a freshman and got a job as a janitor at Jack in the Box,
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which is a fast food chain.
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Um, I know it's definitely in California, I don't know if it's in other places.
Kail: Yeah it is, I had never heard of it before and one night I went out with my friend Kat and she was like,
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Kail: "Okay, we're going to get Jack in the Crack now," and I'm like, "What? What are we getting?"
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And then she almost fed me meat.
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Kate: Ohhh yeah.
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Kail: Yeah, she didn't know.
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I mean she knew I was a vegetarian but she didn't realize there was meat in the tacos.
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Kate: Mmm.
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In the summer of 1986 promos started airing for the new sitcom My Sister Sam.
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When Robert saw the commercial on TV
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he thought he and Rebecca Schaeffer were kindred spirits
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and he started writing her letters.
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Kail: I do have a question.
Kate: Yeah.
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Kail: Samantha and - well I know what Debbie Gibson looks like -
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and then Rebecca: were there any similarities?
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Or they were just all females that were younger or...?
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Kate: Yeah, there weren't, like physicality, they weren't similar.
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Kail: Okay. They just were people that were televised that did big things.
Kate: Yep.
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Kail: They were acting or singing or um...
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Kate: He saw them on screen and felt
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some type of way about them.
Kail: Okay, okay.
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Kate: So Robert started writing her letters and she wrote him back.
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In her response to him she had written that his letter was "the most beautiful she had ever received."
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And she signed it "With love from Rebecca" and she drew a heart and a peace sign on it.
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When he got that
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he was like
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"This is it. I need to go visit her."
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He took her response very personally.
Kail: Very literal - okay.
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Kate: So he traveled from Tucson to L.A.
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and showed up at the studio that she worked at with a huge bouquet of roses and a big teddy bear.
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Jack Egger, who was the chief of security at the studio,
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said Robert was insistent that he be let in.
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He kept saying, "Rebecca Schaeffer, I gotta see her. Rebecca, I love her. If I could just see her for a minute, Rebecca Schaeffer."
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Robert was denied entry into the studio.
Kail: Uh, good.
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Kate: So he headed back home to Tucson.
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Just a month later he traveled to L.A. again,
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and this time he showed up at the studio with a knife. (Kail gasps)
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Once again, he was denied entry.
Kail: Uh, yeah.
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Kate: Side note: if they don't let you in holding roses and a teddy bear,
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what makes you think they're going to let you in holding a knife?
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Kail: When you come back with a knife, like buddy, t's not happening.
Kate: Right?
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Kate: When he was denied access that second time,
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Robert wrote in his diary
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"I don't lose. Period."
Kail: Oh!
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Kail: Okay, that's very narcissistic. Ew.
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Kate: Over the next several months he ended up being arrested
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three times on charges of domestic violence and disorderly conduct.
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Those charges weren't related to Rebecca.
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I didn't delve into it, suffice to say he had some run-ins with the law.
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Meanwhile, as My Sister Sam entered its second season it saw a huge drop in ratings,
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and CBS canceled it in 1988.
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Rebecca was disappointed, obviously, but remember, she had that drive.
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She wanted to stay in L.A. and keep pursuing work there.
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She moved out of Pam Dawber's place.
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She decided it was time she find a place of her own,
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and at first she got an apartment up in the Hollywood Hills
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but she felt too isolated up there.
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So she moved into an apartment in the Fairfax District of West Hollywood at 120 N. Sweetzer.
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When Rebecca moved out
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Pam Dawber gave her one piece of advice that,
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had she followed it,
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might or might not have changed the outcome. We'll never know.
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Pam told her, "Never put your real name on your mailbox, Rebecca."
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Following the cancellation of My Sister Sam
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Rebecca did not have to wait long for her next job.
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She was cast in the TV movie Out of Time
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followed by the film Scenes from the Class Struggle in Beverly Hills.
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Shortly after, Dyan Cannon directed her in a movie called The End of Innocence,
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and then once that wrapped
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Rebecca was off to Egypt for yet another project:
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a TV movie called Voyage of Terror: The Achille Lauro Affair starring Eva Marie Saint and Burt Lancaster.
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She was a go-getter and she worked hard, and at such a young age she was already making an impression on these
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film legends and gaining more and more attention.
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I read that she was even in the running -
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you'll appreciate this, K -
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she was even in the running for the lead in an upcoming rom-com -
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a little film called Pretty Woman.
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Kail: Ah! She was in the... I love that.
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Kate: So while Rebecca was out there doin' the damn thing,
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Robert John Bardo was building a shrine to her in his bedroom.
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He collected pictures, magazines, anything having to do with Rebecca.
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He continued to write her what he considered to be "love" letters,
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and he watched everything she acted in.
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In his brain he thought that they had some kind of relationship.
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That's just how, that's just where his mind was.
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Kail: It's always like a reminder, because I
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watched The Flight Attendant
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and one of the episodes is this one chick is
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putting all these pictures up on the wall and obviously trying to
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you know, basically kill this woman, but
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you think it's on a show and people actually do this. I mean,
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sick people actually really do this.
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Kate: Yeah. Like, that's the thing, you just don't know what
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people are capable of.
Kail: Yeah.
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Kate: So when Scenes from the Class Struggle in Beverly Hills was released
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in June of 1989,
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Robert of course went to see it.
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In the film, Rebecca played a character that was a deviation from her girl-next-door persona from My Sister Sam.
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In Class Struggle, she had an intimate scene in bed with a male actor.
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Well -
Kail: Oh he was probably... yeah.
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Kate: When Robert saw this he was livid.
Kail: Oh! Oh.
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Kate: To him, Rebecca was his "innocent young girl"
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and her portrayal of adult - of an adult woman - in bed with a man made her, and these are his words,
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"one more of the bitches of Hollywood."
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Kail: Oh wow, I didn't think it was going to take that turn because I actually figured, like, somebody caught him ejaculating in the movie theater or something like that.
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Kate: Oh no, it's much darker than that.
Kail: Yeah.
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Kate: He described her as a "whore"
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and felt like she needed to be punished.
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He wrote a letter to his sister in Tennessee
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stating, "I have an obsession with the unattainable,
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and I have to eliminate something that I cannot attain.
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If I can't have her, nobody will."
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Kail: What did the sister do? Did she take it right to the police?
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Kate: Not immediately.
Kail: Nothing. Okay.
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Kate: Robert then went to Jensen's Firearms in Tucson.
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When he was filling out the required paperwork
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one of the questions on the form asked if he'd ever been committed to a mental health facility.
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Kail: He lied?
Kate: No, he answered "yes."
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Kate: And therefore was disqualified.
Kail: Okay, okay.
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Kate: So when the salesman told him he couldn't buy the gun for that reason,
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Robert got irate and was like,
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"Let me fill out another form!"
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Like, he was going to change his answer on the second one
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to try to get the gun.
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And the salesman was like, "No dude, you're an idiot."
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Kail: Kind of feel like they had more, um,
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filtering then than they do now.
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Not filtering... what is it called?
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Um, you know, words are hard.
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When you're monitoring somebody who's buying - I feel like
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that guy, I mean, at least he was like, "Yeah no, you're not -"
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Kate: Oh, well just wait.
Kail: Oh, okay.
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Kate: So Robert's all fired up and so the salesman gets a coworker to help him with the situation.
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And the coworker was like, "Dude, you have to get the fuck out of here." And the two of them escorted Robert out of the store.
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They then hung Robert's disqualified form on the bulletin board and wrote DO NOT SELL TO THIS INDIVIDUAL in all caps.
Kail: Okay.
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Kate: The very next morning,
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Robert went back to Jensen's Firearms with his brother, Edgar.
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Edgar then bought the exact same gun
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that Robert tried to buy the day before,
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and as soon as they got outside of the shop he gave it to Robert.
Kail: Of course.
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Kate: Robert then got on a bus headed to Los Angeles.
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Kail: He acts fast, huh?
Kail: Yeah.
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Kate: On July 17th, 1989,
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he called Rebecca's agent asking for her address.
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Of course they wouldn't give it to him, so he just starts
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roaming the streets of Hollywood
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carrying her picture around -
Kail: With a gun?
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Kate: - and going up to random people asking
Kail: if they've seen her.
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Kate: "Have you seen this girl? Do you know where she lives?"
Kail: Oh my god.
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Kate: Yeah.
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This got him nowhere so he hired a private detective,
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and he'd gotten that idea from another case:
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the stabbing of actress Theresa Saldana
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by - and here come three more names -
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Arthur Richard Jackson -
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Kail: Unbelievable.
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- who had tracked Saldana down with the help of a P.I.
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Kail: Okay, but I'm a little concerned about
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P.I.s. I mean, are they just like,
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"Okay, I'm making money for this so I'm just going to do it?
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Isn't there some kind of, like,
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I don't know, protocol or something?
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Kate: Well, I mean, one would think, but
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on the stand, the private detective that had been hired
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when he was asked "Did you feel he was going to hurt this person?
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Was there any reason you felt threatened by this person?"
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You know, that kind of questioning?
Kail: Right.
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Kate: Yeah, he was just like "No, no, no." I mean, again, yeah,
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they're getting paid.
Kail: Yep.
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Kate: Yeah.
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So the private detective Robert hired didn't have to work too hard.
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All he did was go to the DMV
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and ask for Rebecca's address, and they gave it to him on the spot,
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because at the time that's all anyone had to do to find out where someone lived.
Kail: Holy shit. The DMV is the hardest place to get in and out of.
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Kail: How..how...what...what the hell changed? Because honestly,
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I have spent hours in a line at DMV
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and can't get anywhere.
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Still holding on to my papers as I, like,
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get rejected and leave. I'm like, "Okay, well I waited here four hours and now they're closing and it's a hard stop.
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So I have to wait until I go back the next day.
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They just gave the address?
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Kate: That's all anyone had to do. If you had the person's name and a birth date,
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or their name and a driver's license or name and...
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something, like, that's all it took.
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And they would give it to you on the spot, and I think you paid, like, a dollar.
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Kail: Damn.
Kate: Yeah.
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Kate: It also makes me mad that Rebecca's agent
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didn't call her to say, "Hey, this guy called here asking for your address, maybe take extra precaution."
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You would think him calling would raise suspicion.
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Kail: Plus she knew the name to begin with
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because he had written her letters and he showed up on her set twice.
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Kate: Well I doubt that he gave his name when he called the agent.
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He was probably just like, "Hey, what's Rebecca's Schaeffer's address?"
Kail: Oh, right.
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Kate: 'Cause he's not super bright.
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Meanwhile, unaware that this obsessed man was on his way to track her down,
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Rebecca was busy preparing for the role that could really catapult her career.
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She had been asked to meet with none other than Francis Ford Coppola
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for the highly coveted role of Michael Corleone's daughter, Mary,
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in The Godfather Part III.
Kail: Oh my god.
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Kate: Which, oddly, we just talked about
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Godfather and Francis Ford Coppola in the last one, so
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yeah, that was just a random coincidence.
505
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Kail: ...who was not...
Kate: the co-creator of Hogan's Heroes.
Kail: Yep.
506
00:29:33,566 --> 00:29:35,666
Kate: Rebecca was really excited about this
507
00:29:35,666 --> 00:29:38,266
upcoming audition, obviously. It was huge.
508
00:29:38,266 --> 00:29:41,000
On July 18th, 1989,
509
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:48,433
Rebecca was home alone waiting on the delivery of the script, because they would just, like, go and they would drop off the script directly to you.
Kail: Right, right.
510
00:29:48,433 --> 00:29:51,433
Kate: Around 10:00 am the buzzer to her apartment rang,
511
00:29:51,433 --> 00:29:55,966
and normally she would just press the intercom button to talk to whoever it was at the door,
512
00:29:55,966 --> 00:29:57,866
but on this particular day
513
00:29:57,866 --> 00:30:00,800
the intercom wasn't working.
Kail: Oh god.
514
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,500
Kate: Dressed in a black bathrobe,
515
00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:09,833
Rebecca walked downstairs and opened the door, expecting to see the delivery person with the Godfather script.
Kail: Dropping off the script, yeah.
516
00:30:09,833 --> 00:30:13,133
Kate: Instead she was greeted by Robert John Bardo.
517
00:30:13,133 --> 00:30:16,233
He had brought with him the letter she had written him,
518
00:30:16,233 --> 00:30:20,000
the one where she was like, "This is the most beautiful letter."
Kail: With the heart and the peace sign?
Kate: Yeah.
519
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,899
And he also brought an autographed picture of her that I assume she had sent him
520
00:30:23,899 --> 00:30:26,233
in response to his fan mail.
Kail: Okay.
521
00:30:26,233 --> 00:30:29,533
Kate: And he said to her, "I'm your biggest fan."
522
00:30:29,533 --> 00:30:33,866
And she wanted to be polite because that was who she was,
Kail: Right.
523
00:30:33,866 --> 00:30:38,533
Kate: but eventually she said she had to go because she had an interview she had to get ready for,
524
00:30:38,533 --> 00:30:41,800
and it was her meeting with Francis Ford Coppola that day.
525
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:46,233
So she shook his hand and said, "Please take care."
526
00:30:46,233 --> 00:30:48,233
He left disgruntled
527
00:30:48,233 --> 00:30:53,033
and went to a nearby restaurant called Jan's Restaurant - it's not there anymore.
Kail: Okay.
528
00:30:53,033 --> 00:30:55,733
So while he's sitting in this restaurant eating
529
00:30:55,733 --> 00:31:01,533
onion rings and cheesecake - which is just gross but that's what he ordered -
Kail: Ew.
530
00:31:01,533 --> 00:31:07,000
Kate: - he's just stewing because he wasn't satisfied with his interaction, because, again, he thinks
531
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,933
they have some kind of connection.
532
00:31:09,933 --> 00:31:13,833
About an hour later he goes back to Rebecca's apartment building
533
00:31:13,833 --> 00:31:17,266
and rings the bell labeled "Schaeffer" once again.
534
00:31:17,266 --> 00:31:21,699
Rebecca comes downstairs again
Kail: ...because the intercom's not working. Jesus. Okay.
535
00:31:21,699 --> 00:31:24,666
Kate: ...and sees that it's the same man from before.
536
00:31:24,666 --> 00:31:30,833
And at this point she's starting to get a little annoyed and probably a little wary, too, I would think.
537
00:31:30,833 --> 00:31:35,433
So she opens the door and she says, "You came to my door again."
538
00:31:35,433 --> 00:31:39,066
And he said, "I have another letter and a cd for you."
539
00:31:39,066 --> 00:31:43,066
And she replied, "Okay, well hurry up, I don't have much time."
540
00:31:43,066 --> 00:31:45,533
Robert was offended by this.
541
00:31:45,533 --> 00:31:48,400
He later stated in an interview,
542
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,200
"I thought that was a very callous thing to say to a fan."
543
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,666
So he said to her,
544
00:31:52,666 --> 00:31:54,666
"I forgot to give you something."
545
00:31:54,666 --> 00:32:00,566
And he pulled out the gun from a shopping bag he'd been carrying around since he left Arizona,
546
00:32:00,566 --> 00:32:04,233
aimed it directly at her chest and pulled the trigger.
547
00:32:04,233 --> 00:32:07,699
Rebecca screamed, "Why? Why?"
548
00:32:07,699 --> 00:32:10,333
before collapsing in the doorway.
549
00:32:10,333 --> 00:32:12,699
Kail: She didn't even make it to the interview.
550
00:32:12,699 --> 00:32:18,200
And he was, he was just, like, impulsive, swift,
551
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,333
he was just out for it.
552
00:32:20,333 --> 00:32:22,633
Kate: I would not call him impulsive.
553
00:32:22,633 --> 00:32:25,200
He was very calculated.
554
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,666
Kail: He was calculated, okay, I get that, but I'm just saying
555
00:32:28,666 --> 00:32:32,200
he acted on impulses very rapidly.
556
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,466
So, like, once he decided he was going to
557
00:32:34,466 --> 00:32:35,866
gun her down he did it.
558
00:32:35,866 --> 00:32:40,466
It was just...but yes, he obviously calculated because if you have a
559
00:32:40,466 --> 00:32:44,533
room full of somebody's pictures you are definitely calculated.
560
00:32:44,533 --> 00:32:47,866
Kate: Richard Goldman, a neighbor, said he heard two gunshots -
561
00:32:47,866 --> 00:32:50,699
so there is one discrepancy there because
562
00:32:50,699 --> 00:32:53,833
in some reports it's one.
Kail: One to the chest.
563
00:32:53,833 --> 00:32:55,866
Kate: Some it's two - it might have, he might have
564
00:32:55,866 --> 00:32:59,899
missed the first time but I don't think so because it was point blank range.
565
00:32:59,899 --> 00:33:07,966
But anyway, he said he heard two gunshots and two blood-curdling screams and he rushed over to the front door of her building.
566
00:33:07,966 --> 00:33:09,200
And this is tough.
567
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,466
He found Rebecca
568
00:33:10,466 --> 00:33:12,266
still in her black robe,
569
00:33:12,266 --> 00:33:15,733
lying on the brick floor of the entryway.
570
00:33:15,733 --> 00:33:19,333
Her feet were wedged between the door and its frame.
571
00:33:19,333 --> 00:33:21,866
Her eyes were open
572
00:33:21,866 --> 00:33:24,200
and her body was twitching.
573
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,633
He checked her pulse and there wasn't one.
574
00:33:27,633 --> 00:33:35,133
An ambulance was called which took her to Cedars-Sinai Medical Center and it was about another half hour before she passed.
575
00:33:35,133 --> 00:33:38,500
Rebecca Schaeffer was killed at the age of just 21 years old,
576
00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:41,899
shot by 19-year-old Robert John Bardo.
577
00:33:41,899 --> 00:33:45,500
Kail: He was only 19?
Kate: Yep.
578
00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:48,100
Kail: Oh that's really tragic.
579
00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:51,433
And when he, he fled?
580
00:33:51,433 --> 00:33:58,533
Kate: He fled, yep.
Kail: Okay, because by the time that the guy came over and, you know, was with Rebecca...
581
00:33:58,533 --> 00:33:59,966
he was gone then.
582
00:33:59,966 --> 00:34:04,000
Kate: But tons of people saw him - this was broad daylight.
583
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:10,266
And he was wearing a yellow polo shirt which was pretty noticeable, for lack of a better word.
Kail: Okay, right.
584
00:34:10,266 --> 00:34:13,533
Kate: So he fled, he threw the polo shirt
585
00:34:13,533 --> 00:34:17,400
up on a roof of a building along with a book that we'll talk about later.
586
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,733
But again, many people saw him.
587
00:34:19,733 --> 00:34:22,899
Robert immediately went back to Tucson and was found
588
00:34:22,899 --> 00:34:27,000
the very next day on July 19th, the day after the murder,
589
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,266
running around through traffic on the freeway trying to get hit.
590
00:34:31,266 --> 00:34:35,366
Kail: Oh.
Kate: Yeah, he was trying to commit suicide, or trying to get hit.
591
00:34:35,366 --> 00:34:38,233
Kate: Several drivers called 911 to report him,
592
00:34:38,233 --> 00:34:42,966
and when the cops showed up he immediately confessed to killing Rebecca.
Kail: Mm hmm.
593
00:34:42,966 --> 00:34:46,766
Kate: He had a picture of her in his pocket when he was arrested,
594
00:34:46,766 --> 00:34:50,466
and when the Tucson police contacted the police in L.A.
595
00:34:50,466 --> 00:34:52,400
they said they had already received a tip
596
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,766
from a woman in Tennessee.
597
00:34:54,766 --> 00:34:57,699
As soon as Robert's sister had heard about the murder
598
00:34:57,699 --> 00:35:02,800
she contacted police in L.A. and shared the letter with them that he had written her.
Kail: Oh god.
599
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,366
Kate: Robert was extradited -
600
00:35:04,366 --> 00:35:06,600
yeah, that's the thing, it's like if
601
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,500
- I just feel like there are so many moments where it's like
602
00:35:09,500 --> 00:35:12,033
this could have been prevented.
Kail: Completely.
603
00:35:12,033 --> 00:35:17,166
Kate: Just so many steps along the way.
604
00:35:17,166 --> 00:35:18,699
Robert was extradited to California where he was - California, excuse me -
605
00:35:18,699 --> 00:35:23,266
where he was tried and convicted by prosecutor Marcia Clark.
Kail: Oh!
606
00:35:23,266 --> 00:35:30,133
Kate: Robert had struck a deal that if he waived his right to a jury trial the prosecution would not seek the death penalty.
607
00:35:30,133 --> 00:35:35,166
Dr. Park Elliot Dietz, a psychiatrist that interviewed Robert while he awaited trial,
608
00:35:35,166 --> 00:35:37,966
testified that he believed Robert had been si -
609
00:35:37,966 --> 00:35:40,266
schizophrenic - since childhood,
610
00:35:40,266 --> 00:35:43,566
but did not find him to be legally insane.
611
00:35:43,566 --> 00:35:50,800
Robert also mentioned to Dr. Dietz that he had been partially inspired by the song "Exit" by the band U2.
612
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:57,333
Here's the thing: a song is not responsible for you murdering someone - someone - let's be clear.
Kail: Right.
613
00:35:57,333 --> 00:35:59,699
Kail: That's like when people talk about, like,
614
00:35:59,699 --> 00:36:02,400
what is it?
Kate: Video games?
615
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,400
Kail: You have video games and.. or
616
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,266
when they have the...
617
00:36:07,266 --> 00:36:10,133
my gosh, the bandwidth is low...
618
00:36:10,133 --> 00:36:13,333
cults, sorry, the cults,
619
00:36:13,333 --> 00:36:19,233
and how, you know, "something on the internet told me I needed to do this" or, you know -
Kate: Oh, yeah.
620
00:36:19,233 --> 00:36:21,866
Kate: The song was played in court
621
00:36:21,866 --> 00:36:25,400
and Robert was seen, like, getting pumped up by it.
622
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,600
He started banging his knees, he was mouthing along to the lyrics,
623
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,100
and when all of that information came out
624
00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:35,633
U2 didn't perform that song again for almost thirty years.
625
00:36:35,633 --> 00:36:38,466
Kail: I was going to ask if they had any kind of
626
00:36:38,466 --> 00:36:40,800
spoken word about it, if they had
627
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,166
addressed it, I guess.
628
00:36:42,166 --> 00:36:44,733
Kate: I don't know if they made a statement, I just know that they
629
00:36:44,733 --> 00:36:47,600
would not perform it.
Kail: They didn't play it for thirty years.
630
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:53,266
Kate: In an attempt to get a lesser sentence, Robert's attorney tried to argue that he was mentally ill
631
00:36:53,266 --> 00:36:56,066
and didn't have the capacity to plan his crime,
632
00:36:56,066 --> 00:36:58,666
therefore it couldn't have been premeditated.
633
00:36:58,666 --> 00:37:06,233
His attorney stated, "Robert is a victim of parental neglect in a mental health system which failed to provide the treatment he needed."
634
00:37:06,233 --> 00:37:08,166
Here's the thing: yes,
635
00:37:08,166 --> 00:37:11,233
he did have some mental illness and he did
636
00:37:11,233 --> 00:37:13,800
suffer abuse as a child.
637
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,966
That does not excuse the act of murder.
638
00:37:16,966 --> 00:37:21,866
As our ladies from Morbid always say, "Feel bad for the child, not the adult."
Kail: Mmm.
639
00:37:21,866 --> 00:37:23,899
Kate: He knew exactly what he was doing.
640
00:37:23,899 --> 00:37:26,366
He tried to buy a gun, was denied.
641
00:37:26,366 --> 00:37:28,033
Got his brother to buy it for him.
642
00:37:28,033 --> 00:37:30,633
Told his sister if he couldn't have Rebecca, no one could.
643
00:37:30,633 --> 00:37:32,766
Traveled to L.A. with the gun.
644
00:37:32,766 --> 00:37:35,033
Hired a private detective, tracked her down,
645
00:37:35,033 --> 00:37:38,066
rang her doorbell and shot her in the chest.
646
00:37:38,066 --> 00:37:41,233
Kail: There are so many things where
647
00:37:41,233 --> 00:37:44,200
hopefully in our world today - but
648
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,766
maybe not because these things are still continuing, as we know -
649
00:37:48,766 --> 00:37:53,466
but so many things where I feel like "red flag, red flag, oh here's another one."
650
00:37:53,466 --> 00:37:58,566
Kate: Yeah, if that doesn't spell premeditation I don't know what does.
Kail: Right.
651
00:37:58,566 --> 00:38:02,233
Kate: It also came out - so I mentioned there was a book that he
652
00:38:02,233 --> 00:38:05,600
flung up on the roof of a building along with his shirt -
Kail: Oh yeah.
653
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,899
Kate: - it was a copy of The Catcher in the Rye.
654
00:38:07,899 --> 00:38:09,266
Kail: Holden Caulfield.
655
00:38:09,266 --> 00:38:12,766
Kate: Which Mark David Chapman - three names -
656
00:38:12,766 --> 00:38:16,466
also had on him when he killed John Lennon.
Kail: Ohh.
657
00:38:16,466 --> 00:38:20,766
Kate: Robert insisted that this was just a coincidence, but later in an interview
658
00:38:20,766 --> 00:38:25,166
Mark David Chapman said he had received letters from Robert
659
00:38:25,166 --> 00:38:27,166
before Rebecca's murder
660
00:38:27,166 --> 00:38:30,666
in which Robert inquired about life in prison.
661
00:38:30,666 --> 00:38:32,433
Kail: Wait, what?
662
00:38:32,433 --> 00:38:33,366
Kate: Yeah.
663
00:38:33,366 --> 00:38:38,300
So Robert was writing Mark David Chapman
664
00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:41,100
while he was behind bars
665
00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:43,533
asking him about life in prison.
666
00:38:43,533 --> 00:38:47,033
And he also carried a copy of The Catcher in the Rye.
667
00:38:47,033 --> 00:38:54,533
Kail: What's this thing with J.D. Salinger's book? I don't get it. Did they say anything more about that or did you just -
Kate: No.
668
00:38:54,533 --> 00:38:56,133
Kail: - didn't go deeper into that. Okay.
669
00:38:56,133 --> 00:39:01,266
Kate: And I didn't mention this earlier, but when he traveled to New York to try to
670
00:39:01,266 --> 00:39:03,000
find Debbie Gibson,
671
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,733
he went to the place where Mark David Chapman shot John Lennon.
672
00:39:07,733 --> 00:39:11,866
Kail: So there was some sort of idol - idolization -
673
00:39:11,866 --> 00:39:16,233
or some kind of, like, "I want to emulate this person."
674
00:39:16,233 --> 00:39:18,100
Kate: Absolutely. I mean, he
675
00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:20,300
says there wasn't but -
Kail: Yeah there was.
676
00:39:20,300 --> 00:39:24,600
Kate: There was that coincidence and then there was
677
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:29,600
you know, the idea of getting the private detective from another case.
Kail: Right, right.
678
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:30,800
Kate: So, yeah.
679
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:36,366
Thankfully the judge agreed with the prosecution and on October 29th of 1991,
680
00:39:36,366 --> 00:39:43,766
Robert John Bardo was convicted of first degree murder and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.
681
00:39:43,766 --> 00:39:46,933
In one article I read, it stated that during the trial
682
00:39:46,933 --> 00:39:50,666
the employees from Jensen's Firearms in Tucson
683
00:39:50,666 --> 00:39:53,466
contacted Marcia Clark's office
684
00:39:53,466 --> 00:39:57,433
to say that Robert's brother, Edgar, was also at fault.
685
00:39:57,433 --> 00:39:59,666
Number 1, for buying the gun for Robert,
686
00:39:59,666 --> 00:40:03,966
which is considered a straw man purchase and is a violation of federal law.
687
00:40:03,966 --> 00:40:07,566
That's where you buy it to give to another person.
Kail: Right.
688
00:40:07,566 --> 00:40:11,000
Kate: And 2, for being an accessory to first degree murder.
Kail: Yeah.
689
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,666
Kate: However, nothing ever came of this and Edgar was never charged.
690
00:40:14,666 --> 00:40:17,600
Kail: Even if the brother didn't think or know that his
691
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,266
brother was going to murder someone,
692
00:40:20,266 --> 00:40:25,166
he was still an accomplice to purchasing that after he had gotten denied the day before.
693
00:40:25,166 --> 00:40:28,933
Kate: Right. I mean, he still committed a crime by
694
00:40:28,933 --> 00:40:32,666
making a straw man purchase because it was against federal law.
Kail: Right.
695
00:40:32,666 --> 00:40:35,433
Kate: Rebecca's agent, Jonathan Howard, said,
696
00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:37,433
"She didn't have an enemy in the world.
697
00:40:37,433 --> 00:40:40,266
She was one of the nicest people I've ever known.
698
00:40:40,266 --> 00:40:43,933
Sincere, nicest, nice and kind."
699
00:40:43,933 --> 00:40:46,666
When interviewed years later that same agent said,
700
00:40:46,666 --> 00:40:49,133
"I remember the last time I spoke to Rebecca.
701
00:40:49,133 --> 00:40:51,133
It was about The Godfather III audition.
702
00:40:51,133 --> 00:40:54,666
How important it was, how excited she was...
Kail: Oh, that day...
703
00:40:54,666 --> 00:40:58,133
Kate: ...and you don't think whenever you talk to somebody that it's gonna be the last time."
704
00:40:58,133 --> 00:41:01,500
Kail: You know, I just keep thinking about her parents,
705
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:04,300
as their only child and
706
00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:07,300
it's heartbreaking.
707
00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:11,633
And it feels like it's something that could be so...
708
00:41:11,633 --> 00:41:15,533
almost preventable, but obviously not, but
709
00:41:15,533 --> 00:41:18,533
it could be.
Kate: I mean, it's a parent's biggest fear.
Kail: Yeah.
710
00:41:18,533 --> 00:41:20,533
Kate: Andespecially, like,
711
00:41:20,533 --> 00:41:23,666
after all that she had already done.
Kail: Yeah.
712
00:41:23,666 --> 00:41:30,166
At such a young age, and, like, all of her travels, and now her career is really taking off it. Yeah.
713
00:41:30,166 --> 00:41:35,133
Kail: It also seems really sad that she just didn't get to go to that audition.
714
00:41:35,133 --> 00:41:37,566
I mean, I know that sounds so trivial
715
00:41:37,566 --> 00:41:39,433
for the circumstance, but
716
00:41:39,433 --> 00:41:41,366
it was something obviously that
717
00:41:41,366 --> 00:41:44,933
she was looking forward to and that she was preparing, and... and just...
718
00:41:44,933 --> 00:41:51,666
Kate: I mean, yeah, probably the biggest meeting she'd had, you know, in her career at that point.
Kail: Right.
719
00:41:51,666 --> 00:41:55,899
Kate: Brad Silberling was Rebecca's boyfriend at the time of her murder.
720
00:41:55,899 --> 00:41:59,533
They met on a blind date in 1987.
721
00:41:59,533 --> 00:42:06,899
He was devastated, obviously. He waited with Rebecca's parents at the hospital while they identified her body.
722
00:42:06,899 --> 00:42:11,166
Brad said he couldn't date again for two years after losing Rebecca,
723
00:42:11,166 --> 00:42:15,800
but he did eventually meet and later marry actress Amy Brenneman.
724
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,333
He maintained a relationship with Rebecca's parents
725
00:42:18,333 --> 00:42:21,699
and they attended his wedding to Amy.
Kail: Aw.
726
00:42:21,699 --> 00:42:26,066
Kate: Rebecca's dad recalled the last time he spoke with her. She had called him
727
00:42:26,066 --> 00:42:29,300
a day or two before her Godfather audition,
728
00:42:29,300 --> 00:42:32,800
and he said, "Why don't you give me a ring afterwards and tell me how it went?"
729
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,666
And she said, "Well, I'll do that. I love you."
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And he said, "I love you."
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Rebecca's mom, Danna, went on to write a one-woman show called
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Mid-Air: Elegy for a Daughter about the loss of her only child.
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And Brad, the boyfriend,
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wrote and directed the 2002 film Moonlight Mile,
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which is inspired by the loss of Rebecca and his relationship with her parents.
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Kail: Oh, how incredible to have these tributes, you know?
Kate: Yeah.
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Kail: ...To someone that comes years past...
Kate: lYeah.
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Kate: Additionally, there is an episode of Law & Order called "Star Struck" which is partially based on this case.
Kail: Okay.
739
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Kate: And when E! True Hollywood Story debuted in 1996,
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their very first episode was on Rebecca Schaeffer.
Kail: Wow.
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Kate: Yeah, I didn't know that. That was something that I just thought was really interesting when I read that.
742
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Kail: Especially because it happened, what, like seven years before that?
Kate: Yeah.
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Kate: There was some good that came out of all of this.
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Rebecca's murder provoked the governor of California to sign a law prohibiting the DMV from releasing addresses.
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Kail: Ah, for the $1.
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Kate: California received 16,000,000
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address inquiries in 1988.
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Just think about that for a second.
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16,000,000 people trying to find out where someone else lived.
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Kail: My eyes are huge right now and it just makes me feel creeped out.
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Kate: One point that someone brought up was
752
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you know, if you were driving in your car
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and you weren't going fast enough for someone,
754
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or there was, you know, some kind of road rage situation,
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all the person that was mad
756
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had to do was write down your license plate, go to the DMV and say, "Where does this person live?"
Kail: Wow.
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Kate: And they would tell you.
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Crazy!
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Congress passed the Driver's Privacy Protection Act
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in 1994, which required all states to do the same.
761
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The Los Angeles Police Department
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created the first ever Threat Management Team
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which focused specifically on stalking cases.
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In 1990, California became the first state to pass the anti-stalking law
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which went into effect January 1st, 1991.
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Before Rebecca's murder,
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stalking wasn't even classified as a crime.
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Kail: And I feel like I hear more
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about stalking cases more back in the day, like
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maybe '70s and '80s and whatnot,
771
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whereas now, I mean, now we've got other issues.
772
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But I don't hear about stalking as much, and maybe it's just
773
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there's so much else out there going on and
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you don't pick up on those cases.
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Kate: Yeah, because I do think it still exists.
Kail: Exists, yeah, of course, of course.
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Kate: Also, with the way we get information now,
777
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it's just like, you know, you open your phone and you can
778
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find a story for anything and everything.
Kail: Right, right.
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Kate: Eventually the rest of the country passed the anti-stalking law as well.
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Rebecca's parents dedicated themselves to the fight for stricter gun laws.
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In 1990, her mother Danna helped launch the lobbying group Oregonians Against Gun Violence,
782
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and she went to Washington D.C. to help lobby for the passage of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act.
Kail: Oh.
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Kate: Her dad said,
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"The gun issue lets us focus our anger.
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There's so little we can do about Rebecca's death.
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We feel good about doing this. It's the only public way to say what happened to Rebecca isn't alright."
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The cast of My Sister Sam held a memorial at the studio and also filmed a PSA about gun violence.
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Pam Dawber said in an interview,
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"Gun control is fairly controversial,
790
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though all we're saying to people is to prevent handgun violence.
791
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Now, how can you argue with that?"
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Which I just thought was...
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Kail: I mean, it's true. Like, how can you argue?
794
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How is a gun more important than somebody's life?
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Kate: Rabbi Emmanuel Rose of Portland's Temple Beth Israel said,
796
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"We are angered - angry at a stranger,
797
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angry at a nation and revolving political leaders who refuse to eliminate the source of agony
798
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among so many Americans."
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That was in 1989.
Kail: it's still prevalent today.
800
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Kate: I mentioned at the beginning of this episode that Rebecca loved to write poetry.
801
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The night before her funeral,
802
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Brad and her best friend Barbara
803
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stayed up all night typing up her poems
804
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and binding them with pastel ribbons.
805
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And they gave one to every one of the 200 mourners.
806
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So I want to end this with a couple of her poems.
807
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The first one goes:
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"I'm glad to be a woman.
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I feel a little superhuman. I get to exist and have mystery I can hold in the palm of my hand.
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Diamond marbles and steel hearts.
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I've learned to smile, to open and let see,
812
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but the best thing of all is watching the others and their mystery."
813
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I loved that one.
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Kail: That's great. Did she - is that one of the ones she did when she was younger, still living in Oregon?
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Kate: That one isn't dated but this next one is,
816
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and it's the last one I'll read.
817
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She wrote this the month of her death.
Kail: Oh.
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Kate: (reading) "I do it for me.
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I have the right to say no.
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I live for now. Life is not a movie."
Kail: Wow.
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kate: And that is our episode on Rebecca Schaeffer.
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It's a tough one.
Kail: It is, it is.
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Kate: And when I post the pictures, like, you're just going to see her...you can see her spirit
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through the photo.
Kail: Exuding.
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Kate: Yes.
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Kail: I think what's so sad, too, is the...
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the potential and the length of life she could have had.
Kate: Oh, absolutely.
Kail: She was so young.
Kate: She would have had a huge, huge career.
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Kate: And she was just a good person. Like, you just think about all the good she could have done in the world.
Kail: Yeah.
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Kate: It's really tragic, and when you, I mean,
830
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I think about what I was doing when I was a teenager. I was not,
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you know, I was not - I did not have the wherewithal to, like,
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plan out my career and move on my own, and, yeah.
Kail: Go to New York and Japan and... right.
833
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Kate: And she was like, "I know what I want and I know how I can get it, and here I go."
834
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So yeah, it was,
835
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it was a tough one to research but I have been wanting to cover that one because
836
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her case is referred to a lot because of the laws that came from it.
Kail: Mm hmm.
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Kail: I mean, I knew the name for sure. I guess I didn't know what she looked like.
838
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And I now remember there was a show called My Sister Sam,
839
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but I know I haven't ever seen it.
840
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Well, you know me, I've barely seen anything.
841
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That name, I've known it for a long time. I remember when my dad talked about this, honestly, and so
842
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it's out there. The name is out there. Even if I didn't really know the true story, I definitely knew that there was somebody who murdered her.
Kate: Right.
843
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Kail: And, you know, I knew she was an actress.
844
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So even being kind of removed from knowing all of the the stuff and what happened,
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I still know her name, and I think that's huge. It's like
846
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getting the names out there, right?
Kate: Yeah, yeah.
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Kate: So hopefully -
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I don't know that 'you liked that' is the right sentiment, but
849
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you know, hopefully you learned something from it and...
850
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like Number 1, I don't answer the door. Ever.
851
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I don't.
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I don't care who it is, I don't answer the door, so don't ring my doorbell.
853
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But anyway, let us know your thoughts. You can let us know in the comments.
854
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Let us know on Instagram, you can follow us.
Kail: Any of the social medias.
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Kate: Yes, follow us @horrorwoodpodcast
856
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or Twitter @horrorwoodpod. I'm not gonna lie, I have not
857
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posted a single thing on Twitter.
858
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It automatically posts the episode to Twitter.
Kail: Oh.
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Kate: But I haven't, you know,
860
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I'm not good with social media, guys.
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Kail: To this day, I mean, I am at least good
862
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with a couple platforms, but
863
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to this day I wouldn't even know how to log on to Twitter and do a tweet.
864
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Kate: I also started
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a TikTok for us, and I was, like, really good about it for, like, three days.
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But I'm gonna get back onto it. I want to, I want to be able to do that stuff for you guys,
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and be able to interact with you more.
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Kail: And maybe we'll do a Live sometime. That could be super fun.
Kate: We absolutely will.
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Kate: We 100% - we should plan what subject we want for that.
Kail: Okay.
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Kate: You can also send us your own
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story, and it doesn't have to be celebrity-related.
872
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It can be, but obviously doesn't have to be.
873
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We just want to hear from you!
Kail: Just make sure there's a lot of horrrrror in it.
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Kate: Just like that.
875
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So email it to us at horrorwoodpodcast@gmail.com.
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And be sure to rate, review, subscribe, do all the things.
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Kail: Feedback.
Kate: We love you for it.
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Kail: Critiques.
Kate: Yeah, we love it.
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Kate: Stay safe out there, everybody.
880
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Kail: And you know what? If anybody knows how to
881
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work on speech just, you know, give me a holla!
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Kate: I'm just putting my head in my hands right now.
883
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'Cause I'm just like, "What? Who is this person that I'm working with?"
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(creepy music begins playing)
885
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Kail: You know what?
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Stay a misfit, misfits.
887
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Kate: Yep.
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Kail: (laughing) What she said.
889
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Kate: I'm gonna stop this recording. (they laugh)
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(creepy music continues to play)
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(creepy music fades out)